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Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:01 pm
by norbie2018
I frequently (50% of the time) will have unclear attacks on high Ab. This happens when I slur up or down to it, or attack it detached from high or low. Sometimes that unclear attack will migrate to the g below or the a above. If I buzz the Ab from any direction it sounds clear, slurred or detached. I put it back in the instrument and sometimes that clears it up, sometimes it doesn't. I'm careful that I'm playing the instrument the same way I buzz.

Anyone had the same issue? How did you solve it?

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:45 pm
by baileyman
Sam Burtis says that area is a common place where embouchures transition from one kind of a micro setting to another. His solution is to practice stretching each micro setting from one range to the other and back using a Caruso style 6 note exercise. Eventually, the two micro settings sorta merge.

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:15 pm
by Doug Elliott
Some horns just don't respond very well on that Ab, similar to high D above.

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:29 pm
by norbie2018
Doug Elliott wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:15 pm Some horns just don't respond very well on that Ab, similar to high D above.
I had heard that before and was afraid of that. I'll be trying some trombones soon and I'll be interested to see if that clears things up.

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:33 pm
by Burgerbob
Gliss through that area to see if the response and sound change a lot over that note.

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:01 am
by norbie2018
I'll try the glisses tonight. I don't think it's the instrument; I tried approaching that note from different angles with different articulations SLOWLY and the attacks were clean. When speeding up it's as if my chops aren't getting to the right buzz, the right slot if you will. Didn't Jay Friedman compare the chops to a fork lift moving the air to different shelves? I'm missing the shelf. I'll have section mates try the horn at rehearsal this weekend. Still going to try new instruments :P .

Re: Unclear attacks on high Ab

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:44 am
by Pre59
You're not playing on an old Bach 12 by any chance? They had some very dodgy note issues around Bb in third and an Ab which was not much better. A horrible horn, and bought it blind in the early 80's