Water coming out of bell?

ttf_ISAB · Post by **ttf_ISAB** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:49 pm

There is water coming out of my bell every time I practice

Why???

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:57 pm

Quote from: ISAB on Jan 27, 2017, 12:49PMThere is water coming out of my bell every time I practice

Why???

It's natural.

You are blowing warm, moist air into the trombone. The trombone acts as a cooling coil. The warmer the trombone is, the firther toward the bell the condensation point of your breath is.

Wipe it down with a towel. Or play in rooms with relatively warm temperatures -- it won't happen if the air is 98.6 F (38C).

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:00 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Jan 27, 2017, 12:57PM it won't happen if the air is 98.6 F (38C).
It still may, depending on the humidity of the place, especially outdoor near the sea.

ttf_Blowero · Post by **ttf_Blowero** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:09 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Jan 27, 2017, 12:57PMIt's natural.

You are blowing warm, moist air into the trombone. The trombone acts as a cooling coil. The warmer the trombone is, the firther toward the bell the condensation point of your breath is.

Wipe it down with a towel. Or play in rooms with relatively warm temperatures -- it won't happen if the air is 98.6 F (38C).
If you're drunk, does that mean alcohol is coming out of the bell?

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:22 pm

Quote from: Blowero on Jan 27, 2017, 01:09PMIf you're drunk, does that mean alcohol is coming out of the bell?

That would be awesome!!!

ttf_uncle duke · Post by **ttf_uncle duke** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:39 pm

I'm having the same water problem. I just started playing this month after 32 years of not being around a horn. That may have something to do with it right there but I don't ever remember having the water problem I have now back then.
I'll put getting back into playing shape as half the cause but the cheap looking Allora brand mouthpiece could be some of the problem along with the low grade horn I'm using. I'm thinking the mouthpiece is too small and maybe slotting issues causing me to apply more air and in return leaving water after playing, yes, it's running out of the bell end here too............ but I'm having fun regardless of the mess. I haven't found my old mouthpiece yet though I know it should be around here somewhere

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ttf_jedrph · Post by **ttf_jedrph** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:24 pm

It means you're putting lots of warm air through the horn----this is a good thing !! It happens more to me if I'm playing in a cold room/basement etc. perfectly natural. If you're not getting a least a little, your not using enough air IMO.

ttf_Tbonedude · Post by **ttf_Tbonedude** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:28 pm

Like others have stated, it's just your warm, humid breath condensing in the bell. If you are able to use warm enough air, and it's cold enough, you get a strange phenomenon- the carbon dioxide in your breath will condense into a vapor cloud. It looks pretty freaky, it happened to me a few times during marching band season.

ttf_Taytay051 · Post by **ttf_Taytay051** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:31 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Jan 27, 2017, 12:57PMit won't happen if the air is 98.6 F (38C).

Darn right it wont! I'll be too busy panting to even think about playing

ttf_ISAB · Post by **ttf_ISAB** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:17 pm

Thanks for all the replies!
The explanations were helpful
BTW the room temp in Chicago is around 50°F so I know what's happening now

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:28 pm

Quote from: ISAB on Jan 28, 2017, 12:17PMThanks for all the replies!
The explanations were helpful
BTW the room temp in Chicago is around 50°F so I know what's happening now

Too bad you can't bottle this up and save it for the summer when the room temperature is around 80.

ttf_back2bone · Post by **ttf_back2bone** » Sat May 20, 2017 12:34 am

I was studying with a new teacher when I was 18 and noticed water "leaking" from the bell. I mentioned it to my teacher and he said, "That's good. It means you're moving enough air through the horn and supporting the tone." Hadn't noticed it in the 9 previous years I'd been playing.

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:08 am

Quote from: BGuttman on Jan 28, 2017, 12:28PMToo bad you can't bottle this up and save it for the summer when the room temperature is around 80.

Good thinking, BG. One can try, though. However, I wouldn't drink it.

ttf_afugate · Post by **ttf_afugate** » Sat May 20, 2017 4:14 am

Quote from: back2bone on Yesterday at 12:34 AMI was studying with a new teacher when I was 18 and noticed water "leaking" from the bell. I mentioned it to my teacher and he said, "That's good. It means you're moving enough air through the horn and supporting the tone." Hadn't noticed it in the 9 previous years I'd been playing.

I said this very thing to a student yesterday. I told him, "Congratulations! Get used to it. When you play with good air that can happen." He went from concerned to happy.

--Andy in OKC

ttf_lou2cv · Post by **ttf_lou2cv** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:37 am

Yep, i remember when i started working seriously on my breathing and support techniques. I've never had water before and after one week, it was coming out of the bell

ttf_lou2cv · Post by **ttf_lou2cv** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:37 am

Yep, i remember when i started working seriously on my breathing and support techniques. I've never had water before and after one week, it was coming out of the bell