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Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this, however I wanted to share my experience and see if any others have had this issue.

Summary: Shoulders in tux jackets are way too tight and I have yet to find a solution. Fellow big guys out there, how did you fix this?

In high school, our concert dress code was black white shirt. This changed after Covid but we were required to have a white shirt and black dress pants and all of my college ensemble and gigs to date dress was always black shirt, black and black shoes. More recently I’ve been asked to play with a local local orchestra, first as the sub and now regularly. Their dress code is black tuxedos.


Now, one could compare my stature to that of a mountain troll or an orc. When I subbed with them, I was able to find a tuxedo that could do for the concert,, but six and seven position were completely out of the question and fifth was a stretch. Every tuxedo shop I’ve been to has only been able to fit me with a tux that works with my arms down. The second I left them up as if I’m going to play trombone the shoulders getting incredibly tight. I just rented a black formal blazer, as a way to cheat out of wearing a real tuxedo, but the shoulders are still uncomfortable in sixth and seventh isn’t possible.


Anyone have any experience with this or know how to get around this?

Seems that you need to visit a tailor.

Tailors know exactly how to fix that, but it's going to cost you..

I buy oversize jackets (and shirts for that matter) to play in. But maybe you're a big enough guy that it's hard to find one big enough.

Tailor is the answer. I've been lucky enough to go to China a couple of times and made sure I get a couple of suits and a DJ made to measure each time. I've heard Vietnam is also great for that.

Failing that, maybe find a high street alterations place and ask them for their advice? They may be able to take in a much larger jacket that can handle your arm movement without it looking like a lumpy sack for a reasonable price.

A tailor can only do so much. Tuxedos can be made in any size. There should be someone offering big tall sizes around LA or San Diego. You shouldn’t be trying to re-size an existing suit more than two sizes up or down from your measured size. If you really are bigger than anything around, tailors or some alteration shops can make a tuxedo from scratch from a pattern. It is not going to be cheap. Sometimes a tailor or alterations shop will have one that was not picked up. My black coat is one size bigger than my coat size. I only had the sleeves shortened. I got it from an alterations shop. It wasn’t picked up by someone. It is easy to play in. It helps if you tell them to keep it one size too big. That is a common request for performers and law
enforcement.

Back in the day, I could buy a jacket from old rental stock to save a few bucks versus new. I'd get one to fit my shoulders and accommodate my slide arm movements and have the rest taken in a little.

Something to remember is that a "trombone" tux is usually seen from dozens or hundreds of yards away. A good fit is not terribly important as long as the length of sleeves and body are reasonable.

I would look at liquidators of rental stock on eBay. I've bought several items of formalwear for extremely cheap (like, $1200+ MSRP designer tuxedo's for $50 that were probably worn just a few times and were basically like new) on an eBay store called Monkeysuits, and they have stuff in every size imaginable.

Tuxedo rental houses have sales at the end of the formal season (fall?) where they get rid of current stock to be able to buy next year's designs. Often these are sold as components, and you can buy a jacket of one size and pants of another. This was great for me since I usually need a larger pants size than is offered with "built" systems. I bought a nice setup that included a jacket, pants, vest, one formal shirt, tie, link and stud set, and a cummerbund (note that you don't use the vest and the cummerbund at the same time). The jacket was sized so that I had good arm movement. I think the whole getup was around US$150.

A violinist in the NSO went to a tux shop to get fitted for a new tux jacket. The salesman eyed him up and put his estimate of a good fitting jacket on his new customer. The violinist put his arms into "playing position" and complained that there wasn't enough room for him to do his job properly. The salesman said, "What difference does it make ? People are going to come in, order their food, eat and leave without even looking at you" ! True story !

I saw a lovely white tux jacket in a local charity shop last week. I'd have bought it except it was at least two sizes too big.
On the other hand, there are some charity shops here that regularly sell good quality dinner suits and jackets. No doubt from those no longer in need of them. This is in the UK.

Yup.
Size 60 coat. I had the tailor put an accordion 3 inch extension on the back of the arm holes.

I have a heat problem. I am looking for a tux shaped coat made of cotton and the weight of a cotton shirt. Seem like a uniform company would make one, but yet to find one.

whitbey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:06 pm I have a heat problem. I am looking for a tux shaped coat made of cotton and the weight of a cotton shirt. Seem like a uniform company would make one, but yet to find one.

I know precisely what you man by "heat problem".

Speaking from experience - moreso than cotton, I think you'd be better served in terms breathability, temperature moderation and moisture wicking by a jacket made from tropical-weight wool which is unlined. It would also be far more durable than cotton, will drape (and look) infinitely better on you than t-shirt material and will blend in seamlessly with what everyone else is wearing. In the world of suiting, this should actually be relatively easy to find compared to a cotton one.

VJOFan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:53 am Back in the day, I could buy a jacket from old rental stock to save a few bucks versus new. I'd get one to fit my shoulders and accommodate my slide arm movements and have the rest taken in a little.

Something to remember is that a "trombone" tux is usually seen from dozens or hundreds of yards away. A good fit is not terribly important as long as the length of sleeves and body are reasonable.

Got mine from a rental place, roomy jacket, decent pants, dry clean and ready. All up $120 in 2012. Still good enough

You think you have problems, try finding women's concert attire (dresses, jackets, etc.) that gives you room to play. No sucha thang.

Straight answer: tuxedos suck to perform in. They are tailored for men to stand up straight and look pretty and are pretty antithetical to being able to move in any kind of normal way.

I'm not a fan.

bassclef wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:54 pm

whitbey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:06 pm I have a heat problem. I am looking for a tux shaped coat made of cotton and the weight of a cotton shirt. Seem like a uniform company would make one, but yet to find one.

I know precisely what you man by "heat problem".

Speaking from experience - moreso than cotton, I think you'd be better served in terms breathability, temperature moderation and moisture wicking by a jacket made from tropical-weight wool which is unlined. It would also be far more durable than cotton, will drape (and look) infinitely better on you than t-shirt material and will blend in seamlessly with what everyone else is wearing. In the world of suiting, this should actually be relatively easy to find compared to a cotton one.

By cotton I would want the same cotton as a dress shirt. Maybe just a little heavier. the closest I have found has been a uniform place that makes restaurant stuff. and let you buy just one outfit.

How about this? Take your trombone to a tailor and show him/her your difficulties of playing a trombone in a tux. Heck, even musicians who play other instruments do not understand this issue.

I do all my concerts between mid-May and end of September in a black linen suit, with linen or cotton shirts. That suit is one of the best purchases I've made. But that works if the dress code is black suits. If it needs to be a tux, that won't cut it. Then you probably won't find anything that looks right except possibly unlined wool.