60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
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60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
So i recently came into Conn 60H bassbone. It's the second non 70 series bass i will have ever owned. It's a fixer upper to be sure and will most likely be disassembled to be thorough in its resurrection.
A while back i bought a D valve from a old 62H. I'm thinking while I'm having the horn rebuilt why not add a valve and essentially make a 62H.
Thoughts? Opinions? Slander?
Thanks?
A while back i bought a D valve from a old 62H. I'm thinking while I'm having the horn rebuilt why not add a valve and essentially make a 62H.
Thoughts? Opinions? Slander?
Thanks?
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Those are becoming exceedingly rare. I'd let it with one valve and give it a careful restoration.
Or maybe I'd sell it to myself
Or maybe I'd sell it to myself
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Yeah, I'd do it. A second valve, particularly from a 62h would be right at home on a 60h. (Putting it on as a dependent, right?) Improves the usability and value of the horn. We're a little over run with single valve basses in my opinion. I think it's a win all the way around. And then you can sell it to me for $500. That's a great idea!
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Is that the tuning in slide version? If so, if you add a second valve, dependent only. Cut down that J-bend and there's no going back.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
It would be dependent. It makes sense with the design and I'm not a fan of independent system horns.tbonesullivan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:04 pm Is that the tuning in slide version? If so, if you add a second valve, dependent only. Cut down that J-bend and there's no going back.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I got a 60H earlier this year and though I have the Conn valve and tube to make it a double, it will remain a single. A single Conn 60H is a thing of deep joy. I have open wrapped the valve and have tube to put it in Eb, but I have a wonderful double, so I can indulge myself in having a single.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
If it's your only bass, and you use it much, add the valve. If it's a second bass then how much do you use it and for what? It can be nice to have a single trigger horn for when you don't need the second valve.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I use a modified 71H for my primary. I got a 72H i need to fix up and was going to add a valve to that, But was talked into leaving that a single. I've never owned anything like a 60 series bassbone before. I'd like to had a back up dbl trigger horn. Since I'm having it rebuilt from the ground up i need to make a decision. Right now the rarity of 60Hs gives me pause in making this a dbl trigger.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Is it the one that quin recently listed ? If yes do what you want.....he wouldn't ship to the UK, otherwise I would have bought it for parts.Just use Conn parts...especially the valve....it does make a difference if you want it to sound and feel genuine.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
It is. And yes the valve is a Conn valve.FOSSIL wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:22 am Is it the one that quin recently listed ? If yes do what you want.....he wouldn't ship to the UK, otherwise I would have bought it for parts.Just use Conn parts...especially the valve....it does make a difference if you want it to sound and feel genuine.
Chris
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Okay, go for it. You will have rescued a goner whatever...good luck.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Thanks! I'll be sure to send you pics when it's complete.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I needs to find me a good Conn 60H or 62H.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
no. don’t mess with mother nature. Enjoy it for what it is.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
But where to get that second valve?
Just got a new double trigger so I think I leave my 60h as it is. But In case of putting on a second valve, where to get it? I’m thinking of selling my 60h since I already have two 70h. But I have to do a chemical cleaning first.
Leif
Just got a new double trigger so I think I leave my 60h as it is. But In case of putting on a second valve, where to get it? I’m thinking of selling my 60h since I already have two 70h. But I have to do a chemical cleaning first.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I had a CONN D valve from an Elkhart 62H i bought and was going to use, but i don't need it now since I'm in the middle of purchasing a Minick Elkhart 62H from a friend. So I've decided not to mess with changing the 60H and instead to try restoring it.Savio wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:48 am But where to get that second valve?
Just got a new double trigger so I think I leave my 60h as it is. But In case of putting on a second valve, where to get it? I’m thinking of selling my 60h since I already have two 70h. But I have to do a chemical cleaning first.
Leif
The 60Hs slide crook was destroyed so I'm toying with putting a MK Drawing crook on it and pulling the leadpipe since I'll have the 62H slide to work with. If i can't find a valve cap (since it didn't come with one) i might put an Olsen valve on.
Lots of ideas but little money.
I also have a 72H bell i need to add a valve or 2 to.
After these projects I'll be pretty much set, aside from needing an altobone and a bass trumpet.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I'd say no to the Olsen valve and the MK crook....it's not that they are bad products but will change the horn. Stick with Conn stuff.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I feel you. I want to keep it as original as i can. Curiosity is causing me to look at other possibilities.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
I've put Holton , Bach and Shires rotors on old Conns...none of them worked well with the basic instrument. Conn valves and tube...job done. They are fussy about slide crooks too.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Since you have the matching equipment on hand already, definitely go for it.
Have someone good do the work!
Agreed on making it a dependent horn (I play a 70's 62H).
Think about how you want the second trigger to be designed. I had mine reworked years ago. The old factory original triggers (side-by-side paddles) reduced the ease of operating the valves.
Have someone good do the work!
Agreed on making it a dependent horn (I play a 70's 62H).
Think about how you want the second trigger to be designed. I had mine reworked years ago. The old factory original triggers (side-by-side paddles) reduced the ease of operating the valves.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
Having never owned a 60 series horn i would have to heed your advice. I have modified, or gotten already modified, my share of 71/72s. The modifications done, i felt, actually improved those horns in my opinion. With the 60H tis slide, and it's J bend, any modifications would be drastic.
So i guess I'll have to fight the urge to chop the horn up.
Unless it's a pos. If it's a pos I'm modding the piss outta tvat horn.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
If you really want a second valve, make it a plug-in. I did that on one I had years ago and it was so nice not to have the second valve in for the majority of situations where I didn't need it. It's probably not going to be much more convoluted than building it in. It's probably just illusion, but to me a good 60H is a better horn than a 62H.
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Re: 60H. To add a valve or not to add a valve.
John Sandhagen at the Boneyard has suggested that on occasion since he has a couple of Kanstul plug in valves. But as stated in a couple of posts ago adding a second valve now is moot since I'm getting a 62H. And i think the purists out there would be happier if i kept the 60H as stock as possible. Frankly so would i.sf105 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:31 am If you really want a second valve, make it a plug-in. I did that on one I had years ago and it was so nice not to have the second valve in for the majority of situations where I didn't need it. It's probably not going to be much more convoluted than building it in. It's probably just illusion, but to me a good 60H is a better horn than a 62H.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant valves)
72H bell section (half moon)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor