Schilke 47 vs Bach 6 3/C

[Slydeflex]

Does anyone know the difference in playing characteristic of the 2?

[Kevbach33]

It would be tough to compare the two to each other. The Schilke is a good bit deeper than a Bach C cup. It'd likely be great for concert band or 3rd in a big band, whereas the 6 3/4C could work for the higher jazz chairs, being shallower.

You might be better off comparing the shallower 47B with a 6 3/4C, despite being slightly smaller in diameter according to spec.

[sacfxdx]

Or a 47C4. - https://www.wwbw.com/Schilke-Standard-S ... LMQAvD_BwE

[DaveAshley]

To my eye, my 47 and 6 3/4C cups are pretty much identical. It looks like the Schilke has a *slightly* more open throat. The rims are quite different, the Schilke being quite flat and the 6 3/4 kind-of arcs up to the inner edge.
Playing -wise, I haven't compared them much, but I prefer the rim of the 47.

I played a 47 almost exclusively for 16 years. In fact, it's going to be re-plated this week. Two years ago, I switched to an AR Resonance with a custom rim based on the 47.

[AEK]

This is a quite good topic for me as having been searching around 25.00mm size mouthpiece. I haven't had a chance to play with a Schilke 47 but I played with a Bach 6 3/4C. Bach rim was comfortable but the sound is way so bright to me. Even my Bach 11C has much more warm character than the 6 3/4C.
I have tried out Greg Black 7C, Bach 6 3/4C, Monette TS11, Laskey 50C, King Jiggs Whigham 1A, King 11M, Rath S11 MN, several Doug Elliot ST and MT series and I settled with a DE ST99C for some time. I still would like to try out some other pieces.

How does the Schilke 47 sound on a 0.500 bore for a 2nd jazz chair in a big band and combo playing?

[Mv2541]

Does anyone know the difference in playing characteristic of the 2?

Someone said it above, but the rims really are pretty different. One will probably feel much better than the other (although I'll say neither are as comfortable as a DE).

[CharlieB]

I play both of these mouthpieces on a .500 bore horn
Physical differences: Schilke rim is flatter, with a sharper bite than the Bach rim, which is more rounded.
Compared to the Bach, the Schilke bore (throat?) is much longer long before transitioning to
the tapered backbore.
My impressions (YMMV): The Bach has a broader sound, whereas the Schilke sound is more focused.
On the face, it feels like the Bach cup is more bowl shaped, and the Schilke is more
conical. The timbre of the Bach is rock solid and constant throughout the dynamic
range. The Schilke timbre is more flexible. They're both very good mouthpieces, and
it all comes down to personal preference. It takes face time with both mouthpieces to sort
that out.

[AEK]

Helpful info, thanks. Have you guys ever tried out other pieces in similar size to compare with the Bach 6 3/4C and Schile 47 ?

[Rusty]

Helpful info, thanks. Have you guys ever tried out other pieces in similar size to compare with the Bach 6 3/4C and Schile 47 ?

Have you tried the Yamaha Nils Langdren? 6 3/4 size with a very open blow. The rim can be fairly uncomfortable for some though, but they’re cheap and worth a try. The Ferguson 11 (Minick design) is also in that ballpark but much lighter and more 11c like. The rim is very comfortable...quite narrow and feels bigger than most 11cs.

[DaveAshley]

Similar pieces not mentioned yet:
Conn 3 (some can be bigger but most have a rim similar to the 47)
AR Resonance 25.10 (or ask Tony for my rim, which is like a 47 but not as wide)
Shires 11C (bigger than a Bach 11C)
Rath 6 3/4 (deeper than either 47 or 6 3/4)
Doug Elliott 99
Rudy Muck 26
Laskey 50C

[Trombo]

Denis Wick 10CS (25 mm) or 7CS (25,4 mm).

[Posaunus]

I have no idea why (it's probably all in my head) but I have found that an old Conn 3 mouthpiece (~25.3mm cup I.D., 6.35mm throat - so larger than a Bach 6¾C or Schilke 47) blends beautifully with my (not-new) Conn 0.500" bore trombone. I'm not sure about the Conn 2, which has a slightly smaller cup but perhaps larger throat.

[gregwaits]

I’m a 6 3/4C guy. I have three, one which was special ordered with a larger throat. That one would be a good fit for a .525 horn imo.

The other two I own are from different generations. (I wish there were documented records to approximate what era they are from.

The one which I think is the newer one has the 3/4 stamped like this, while the older one has a horizontal line on the fraction.

I have tried similar spec ones….Schilke 47C4, Conn 3 mainly. But I always stick with the 6 3/4C….for around 10 years at least.

But for 30 years prior I played a 7C reamed out to .250.

[Reedman1]

The Yamaha Nils Landgren is definitely a good choice. It’s not really that uncomfortable, and supports good flexibility and clean articulation (for me). In that size range, I also like the Yamaha 47, which I find to be very straightforward, and the Marcinkiewicz 10. Marcinkiewicz has a rounder rim and a very interesting cup design. I love the sound I get with it.

[gregwaits]

The Yamaha Nils Landgren is definitely a good choice. It’s not really that uncomfortable, and supports good flexibility and clean articulation (for me). In that size range, I also like the Yamaha 47, which I find to be very straightforward, and the Marcinkiewicz 10. Marcinkiewicz has a rounder rim and a very interesting cup design. I love the sound I get with it.

I ordered a Landgren Yamaha from Dillon.

[Aznguyy]

Alex Iles' signature Schilke mouthpiece came out today. The rim is between a 47 and 50 while the cup is slightly bigger than their B cup.

[gregwaits]

The Landgren mouthpiece arrived. Very similar to the 6 3/4C.

[JLivi]

This is a quite good topic for me as having been searching around 25.00mm size mouthpiece. I haven't had a chance to play with a Schilke 47 but I played with a Bach 6 3/4C. Bach rim was comfortable but the sound is way so bright to me. Even my Bach 11C has much more warm character than the 6 3/4C.
I have tried out Greg Black 7C, Bach 6 3/4C, Monette TS11, Laskey 50C, King Jiggs Whigham 1A, King 11M, Rath S11 MN, several Doug Elliot ST and MT series and I settled with a DE ST99C for some time. I still would like to try out some other pieces.

Once I realized that the 6 3/4 sized rim worked for me I also started searching for the perfect mouthpiece. I settled on the AR 25.10.

I’m curious, how did the Monette TS11 feel? I’ve played the TS6 and it was too big for me. I’ve been on the lookout for a TS11 for some time, but either people don’t buy them, or they’re not selling them.

[Vegasbound]

Denis Wick 10CS (25 mm) or 7CS (25,4 mm).

Wick 9bs

[TromboneMonkey]

The other two I own are from different generations. (I wish there were documented records to approximate what era they are from.

https://www.trumpetjunkie.com/datingbachmouthpieces.htm

Check out the above for a rough estimate!

[gregwaits]

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[RJMason]

I played a prototype of the new Alex Iles mouthpiece. It was was stamped “Schilke 6.75c”. I believe? it was based off one of his old 6 3/4c pieces. It played really well and I’m planning to pick one up at some point.

[ngrinder]

I just got my Alex Iles mouthpiece in the mail, and it's probably the best 6-3/4 sized mouthpiece I've ever played. I own a bunch of 6-3/4 sized pieces and I've always wanted the rim to be slightly larger and the cup to be a bit more open - almost like a small 6.5A. This mouthpiece really *feels* like it nails that in-between for me. I'll see how it feels in the heat of battle, but this afternoon I've really enjoyed it. If you want a bit more room in your 6-3/4s, you'll definitely like this mouthpiece.

[Rusty]

I just got my Alex Iles mouthpiece in the mail, and it's probably the best 6-3/4 sized mouthpiece I've ever played. I own a bunch of 6-3/4 sized pieces and I've always wanted the rim to be slightly larger and the cup to be a bit more open - almost like a small 6.5A. This mouthpiece really *feels* like it nails that in-between for me. I'll see how it feels in the heat of battle, but this afternoon I've really enjoyed it. If you want a bit more room in your 6-3/4s, you'll definitely like this mouthpiece.

Interesting! Keep us updated on how it performs! How is the rim contour comfort wise? Is it a traditionally Schilke contour?

[heinzgries]

Where can i get the Schilke Alex Iles mouthpiece? The Schilke website doesn't show it.

[JLivi]

Where can i get the Schilke Alex Iles mouthpiece? The Schilke website doesn't show it.

I would contact Greenhoe directly
https://www.greenhoe.com/contact/

[Dsbones]

This is a quite good topic for me as having been searching around 25.00mm size mouthpiece. I haven't had a chance to play with a Schilke 47 but I played with a Bach 6 3/4C. Bach rim was comfortable but the sound is way so bright to me. Even my Bach 11C has much more warm character than the 6 3/4C.
I have tried out Greg Black 7C, Bach 6 3/4C, Monette TS11, Laskey 50C, King Jiggs Whigham 1A, King 11M, Rath S11 MN, several Doug Elliot ST and MT series and I settled with a DE ST99C for some time. I still would like to try out some other pieces.

Once I realized that the 6 3/4 sized rim worked for me I also started searching for the perfect mouthpiece. I settled on the AR 25.10.

I’m curious, how did the Monette TS11 feel? I’ve played the TS6 and it was too big for me. I’ve been on the lookout for a TS11 for some time, but either people don’t buy them, or they’re not selling them.

I’ve been using a BT2 for awhile now, and have kind of been stuck in it because it just plays different from everything else I have. Not really better but just feels different, and for me seems to fit the horn I use and where I’m at Plath the horn and learning tunes. I also have a TS6, which has never really worked for me, but have recently picked up a TS11, which I’ve become stuck on also. Feels like a small and also large mouthpiece all at the same time, hard to describe, and I am definitely not into snake oil and black magic, but I like they way both the BT2 and the TS11 make me think about sound and articulation and the line and phrasing I am playing. I find the TS 11 suite the smaller bore horns, .500 and .508 horns I have.

Only trouble is they don’t make me a better musician. Gotta get to the shed more often for that

[RJMason]

Picked up an Alex Iles piece from Greenhoe, in the mail now. Will post an update after I get some time playing it on my GC2-Y.

[Aznguyy]

Resurrecting an old thread... but I recently picked up a Schilke 47. I like the flatter rim than the 6 3/4C but is curious if Schilke has changed the width of the rim in the past few years. It feels wider than what I remember.

How does the Alex Iles mouthpiece rim compare to the 47?

[TromboneMonkey]

Not really similar. The Iles, to me, felt like a very large 6 3/4. It played extremely well, very precise and nimble. Also very mellow to my ears. The 47 is snappier, feels smaller, and tighter.