Coronavirus

RoscoTrombone · Post by **RoscoTrombone** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:32 pm

In light of that Doug I was just watching the news....as it stands the transmission rate is 1 infected person passes it on to 2.5 people so after 30 days there are 400 infections.

If people reduce their social contact by 50% then the transmission drops to 1.25 people meaning only 15 after 30 days.

We all have to do our bit here and seeing the crowds that have been out over the weekend is ridiculous,it takes the absolute piss out of the seriousness of this and makes me very angry.

I now have to face a most likely very busy & stressful trip to the supermarket tomorrow morning as my mum who is in her 70's needs supplies and can't drive. I'm desperately hoping that people are considerate but am not holding out!

Ross

DougHulme · Post by **DougHulme** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:45 pm

No dont hold your breath on that one. The stupid thing is all those people that were featured out and about by the media could have done all those activities if they had spread their locations (geographically) out and kept their 6' distance and so on but they all crowded in together and now we all have to pay the price for them flouting the advice they were given. My daughter in law went for a ride on her horse on Saturday which is a sole activity miles from anywhere but takes her through a corner of the golf course and it was absolutely packed not just the fairways but in the club house and the car park. I suppose the 3 weeks revue he mentioned will give us chance to check up on those calculations you mention. Its still dropping in China (so I am told) so perhaps there is hope?

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:05 pm

It’s unfortunate That people aren’t staying home and minimizing their social contacts. This is likely to result in none of us being able to go out for any reason other than to buy food and medications.

DougHulme · Post by **DougHulme** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:36 pm

Thats pretty much it for the whole of The uK now

Mikebmiller · Post by **Mikebmiller** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:04 pm

I went mountain biking Saturday and while the trails are pretty empty, there were more people in the parking lot than I wanted to be around. This was at a fairly popular riding/hiking spot. I guess I will look for a more secluded trail next time.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:57 pm

I've been very impressed by the response of the Trader Joe's grocery chain here in California. [I presume they are doing similar things at all their U.S. stores.]

• They are now open from 9:00am until 7:00pm.
• They are limiting the number of customers in the store at any time (line up outside the store, 6 feet apart, and enter – upon invitation from an employee – only when another customer leaves).
• Between 9:00am and 10:00am priority enter is given to "seniors" (age >65) - they go into a separate entry cue.
• You are offered a squirt of hand sanitizer (by an employee) when you enter and leave the store.
• An employee will wipe the handle of your shopping cart with sanitizer when you enter.
• Most customers are maintaining a 6-foot separation within the store.
• The employees are constantly cleaning the shelves and displays.
• High demand items are limited to one or two per customer (noted by signage).
• No more food tastings, but otherwise all the shelves are surprising well-stocked, with lots of fresh produce, complete dairy selection, adequate meats, lots of packaged foods, ....
• If they run out of an item by day's end, it may be magically restocked by 9:00am next day.
• The employees here are universally smiling, friendly, and helpful!

In California, we are under order to stay home except when necessary (food, medicine, doctor visits, etc.) Restaurants can only serve "take-out" food, often for curbside pickup.

We're trying to go out in public only every few days – but we are now running errands (groceries, pharmacy) for some elderly friends who can't drive.

We're regularly washing our hands and faces, sanitizing hands and surfaces, maintaining "social distance" (to the extent possible), and generally trying to stay safe and healthy. It's tough, but absolutely necessary. (And I really miss playing my trombone with others!)

RoscoTrombone · Post by **RoscoTrombone** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:35 am

Well I was wrong! The supermarket was a lot quieter than expected and people were taking a wider berth as they passed each other.

Couldn't get everything my mum needs though so got to try somewhere else now! That's the frustrating thing

baileyman · Post by **baileyman** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:13 am

I redid my Massachusetts calculation for Louisiana. Grim:

I see La reported 14 deaths yesterday. That means three weeks ago they got sick. If the fatality rate is 1% then at that time maybe 1400 people got sick. The doubling time is 3-5 days, so at three days for three weeks that's a 128 multiple. So the expected infected now for La could be near 180,000. That's near 4% of the state infected. That means anyone who is not infected is at extreme risk of being infected because the infected are now so common. By Thurs or Fri it may be near 8%. By next week 16%.

The media focus on "confirmed cases" is totally misleading.

MA is a about two weeks behind LA.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:51 am

Data for California confirms that the doubling time is about 3 days. We're also ready to take off to very large numbers.

We're staying home as much as possible, keeping our "social distance" when out (grocery shopping, pharmacy, ...), washing our hands regularly, disinfecting surfaces, and trying in general to stay safe.

norbie2018 · Post by **norbie2018** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:30 am

And if you believe the news reports, and in this case I find them very credible, bone spur in Chief wants to end what's going on in favor of sparking the economy. I hope level heads prevail.

Kingfan · Post by **Kingfan** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:46 am

I work in an "essential business", an auto parts store. First customer of the day came in after reading the social distancing instructions on the front door and asked "Who wrote the signs?" My boss said "Corporate". He said "It's all bullshit". He got what he wanted, checked out, and said "It's a liberal virus!". We all bit our tongues, figuring arguing with him wasn't going to change his mind and only piss him off. Funny thing is, he got a gallon of heavy duty cleaner. Bullshit, eh?

baileyman · Post by **baileyman** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:36 pm

I expanded my calculation to all states just for kicks. BGuttman does not approve. But CA looks really good, with low infection rate together with anecdotal aggressive government. CA looks pretty lucky. Though internalize this three day doubling. The next two weeks is when everything gets ugly.

Post by **BGuttman** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:07 pm

I didn't say I don't approve. I just mentioned that some of the data, particularly in my home state, seems "off". Also, I think you are spending too much of your practice time on this. We need to get those Senior dances going again!

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:12 am

I got my CV19 lockdown beard going. Maybe I can figure out how to post a photo.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 pm

Like Bach5G, I haven't shaved for a week. (Why bother?) My wife is (sort of) OK with it. For a while, I'd guess.

But I have no idea when I'll next be able to get a haircut!

TriJim · Post by **TriJim** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:32 pm

Me, too - three! Corona-Beard!

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:41 pm

Also growing out! Just shaving the neck, that's just gross on me.

ArbanRubank · Post by **ArbanRubank** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:13 pm

I have had a full beard for 50 years, so I guess that makes me a Prepper!

Kingfan · Post by **Kingfan** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:13 pm

My doctor referred me to a specialist. The initial visit is just a sit down interview, no blood draw/height and weight/temperature, etc. so no reason for it to be face to face. The doctor's office said they were using Skype for visits like this, for my safety and theirs. I checked with my insurance company to verify coverage and they said all initial visits had to be IN PERSON or they wouldn't cover them. Yep, an insurance company is putting me and my doctor's entire office staff at risk. Makes no sense! I called again, insisted I talk to a supervisor and wanted an explanation of why that is was their policy. I was told that at the start of the coronavirus mess no on line visits were covered; they started allowing followup visits to be on line last week but not initial visits, sorry, no. I firmly but politely told them how stupid their rule was and why. I got a a "I'm very sorry, I agree with you, but I can't change policy". A few hours later I got a call back, the main office had just changed the policy and yes, I could use my insurance for the initial visit. Don't know if my calls had anything to do with the change, but no matter, they are now doing the right thing.

BflatBass · Post by **BflatBass** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:18 pm

I haven't been on in a while.
All musical activity for me has shut down indefinitely. The local junior college is still teaching online but we can't do that in concert band so that's not operating. The community band rehearses and performs at a senior center which is on lockdown so that's shut down. Then the dance band performs at the same senior center but rehearses at our local music store and last week we decided to take a two week break but I think it'll be more like two months.

I'm getting pretty good at creating video collages so I'm still messing around with tbone quartet arrangements of older jazz standards and posting them on facebook and YouTube. Right now I'm actually working on a duet from Randy Aldcroft's great book of jazz duets for tenor and bass. They're quite challenging for me so about another week of practice and I should have that one up on facebook in about a week.
We don't go out to shop for essentials anymore. We buy online and have it delivered. The only thing I go out for is to walk the dogs in the morning. And since I live in California USA our governor has implemented a "stay at home" order so for all I know I get busted for walking the dogs.

Music music music
There's nothing else to do

Be careful out there. There's ppl walking around out there that are carrying this virus and don't even know it. It's a "lung eater" according to some experts and we wouldn't want to have permanent lung damage from it if we get sick.

Cheers,
Robert

ExZacLee · Post by **ExZacLee** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:40 am

I'm at my office gathering some tech to help with the online transition... my job is harder than most to transition this way so I'm liberating about a year's salary worth of tech.

My CD production course has been okayed to continue overdub and mix sessions in the building, but no more than two people in at a time and protocols must be strictly followed. I'm still trying to acquire PPE for students but we have the same assholes in Oklahoma buying up everything by the boxtruckload and profiteering so that's been difficult. I managed to get gloves and some virex spray (discovered in a locker in one of our studio booths.) I'm wearing balaclavas and glasses for face covering and suggesting my students do the same.

The Advanced Recording tech course was looking like a gonner (how the hell to teach this course online?) but my Division Head sprung for some audio interfaces right before they put the kibosh on spending. They've arrived, now to hope that receiving hasn't shut down and we get them soon (we're following a campus-wide shutdown order at 5pm.)

Applied lessons on zoom and skype - it's mostly applied jazz composition students, that'll be okay - I've done those lessons online before, I need to look into apps that can show what voicings i'm playing at a piano - probably through a midi cable - if anyone has used something like that please holler at me!

Advanced Jazz Arranging - similar to lessons, this won't be too difficult but we won't be able to do the big band reading session at the end of the semester. May do a remote recording on this as well.

Ensembles - this is tough and my students are generally pretty bummed about the whole thing, but particularly bummed about this. I teach the 4th big band at my school. Most of the students in that ensemble are entirely new to jazz, although I usually do end up with a few really good players who need to work on their reading or other fundamentals a bit. I always throw difficult music at them, usually stuff I've lifted off an album, and they work their butts off. I also direct a small group and I encourage students to bring in original compositions, arrangements and transcriptions they're working on. For these two groups we're going to do a remote recording where i send a backing track with click for them to record to using their phone or audio interface, hopefully get some video as well, and edit it all together.

It's been nuts... between people freaking out about the "government" coming to get their guns (and still finding some way to blame those damn librulz for a martial law that their president hasn't actually declared) and people buying up all the TP, Lysol, disinfectant wipes, and &^%^&^ flour... and 9mm ammo... it was a bit difficult to go out and responsibly prepare for this thing. We have enough food we won't have to leave the house for a bit, but I have daughter turning 1 in a few weeks and we have to postpose her birthday of course. Vegetables... I miss them. I don't want to go out more than I need to, but veggies are at the market. We just moved, no garden together yet, and I needs my produce!

Stay safe out there. Love y'all!

bimmerman · Post by **bimmerman** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:44 am

BflatBass wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:18 pmAnd since I live in California USA our governor has implemented a "stay at home" order so for all I know I get busted for walking the dogs.

Just to clarify, you are in the clear. The California order (which I'm also subject to) allows for outdoors activity (eg hiking, biking, running, dog walking, whatever) so long as you adhere to proper social distancing.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:18 pm

BflatBass wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:18 pm And since I live in California USA our governor has implemented a "stay at home" order so for all I know I get busted for walking the dogs.

As noted, this is not true.

Please don't aggravate the confusing situation by initiating / spreading rumors or incorrect information, even if in jest. There will always be some folks who take you seriously, and unnecessarily spread additional panic. (A panic-demic?

)

It's actually fairly easy to get factual information, if you search reliable sources.

baileyman · Post by **baileyman** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:09 pm

This just arrived via Curbed:

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachm ... _FINAL.pdf

LA closes beaches and hiking trails.

JohnL · Post by **JohnL** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:56 pm

baileyman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:09 pm This just arrived via Curbed:

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachm ... _FINAL.pdf

LA closes beaches and hiking trails.

There was a lot of attention given in the local media to the crowds at some beaches and on some of the trails last weekend.

DougHulme · Post by **DougHulme** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:18 am

That was exactly the same in the UK 2 weeks ago, loads of media attention to crowded beaches and nature trails and then on the Monday we got the no choice stay at home legislation that we have been under now for about 10 days. You cant help but feel if people had been more respectful of the recommendations we wouldnt have have got the legislation - which puts an undue pressure on a largely untrained (for this scenario) police force to enforce. Yesterday loads of pictures of wasted food in rubbish bins - all the use by dates expired on the hoarded food everyone went mad on buying... what was it my mum used to say "eyes bigger than your belly" in this case must have been walletts bigger than their belly!! There is a northern England saying that goes 'Nought as queer as folk'!... Doug

baileyman · Post by **baileyman** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:09 am

"use by dates". In the USA these are "sell by", where products are pulled from the shelves at that time. Meanwhile, plenty of them last for quite a long time in the house, especially in cool weather. It's often hard to convince a significant other the thing is still good and need not be replaced. One suspects the producers are rather in favor of that behavior.

DougHulme · Post by **DougHulme** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:16 am

I suspect so too. We have both 'Use by' and 'sell by' dates in the UK I think both, in their own way, are more beneficial to the manufacturer than the protection of the user! I'm with you on their use. That said the photographs that I mentioned in my previous post were mainly of perishable, fresh produce or foodstuffs that clearly had a short shelf life and should never have been bought in quantities that you couldnt eat in a couple of days, loafs of bread that were in short supply for instance. Comfort buying... I expect it gave a measure of assurance to the buyers for a day or two... Doug

jimtheob · Post by **jimtheob** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:05 am

I live in Buncombe County in western North Carolina. All concerts I was supposed to play in are cancelled and we are under a stay-at-home order.

Posaunus · Post by **Posaunus** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:47 am

Posaunus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:18 pm
BflatBass wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:18 pm And since I live in California USA our governor has implemented a "stay at home" order so for all I know I get busted for walking the dogs.
As noted, this is not true.

Please don't aggravate the confusing situation by initiating / spreading rumors or incorrect information, even if in jest. There will always be some folks who take you seriously, and unnecessarily spread additional panic. (A panic-demic? )

It's actually fairly easy to get factual information, if you search reliable sources.

Sorry Bflatbass and Baileyman - it was my fault for not being clear in my language, which was very awkward. I live in California and am more than aware of the "shelter at home" and "social distancing" guidelines, and of the recent closures of beach parking lots, hiking tails, etc. due to gathered crowds there.

My response was directed only to the "busted for walking the dogs" comment, which is of course not (yet) true. We are still allowed to walk our dogs, go on solo strolls around the neighborhood, etc. without fear of getting arrested. Our lives are certainly different these days, but we are not (yet) under a martial law to "cower in place."

Yes, I miss personal social interaction, but have managed to stay in touch with family and friends via video calls and telephone. My wife and I have grown even closer over the past few weeks, since we get along well and have seen almost no one else. One of us makes a grocery shopping trip only every 5 days or so, and those are quick and relatively sanitary. I only hope that these stringent restrictions on our lives will pay dividends in terms of softening the blow of the COVID-19 virus (which has already affected 3 close friends in our area – one still on a ventilator).

What I miss greatly is making music with others. Since all my rehearsals and performances have been cancelled, I've been trying to maintain my trombone chops at home, but find it very lonesome, and hard to get motivated. "Quarantunes" leave something to be desired!

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:49 pm

I was thinking this morning that I am not a particularly social or need to get out sort of person. I’m pretty happy practicing (I’m continuing with guitar lesson via FaceTime) and I’ve got a couple of books on the go. I’ve written a couple of short stories about a character who happens to be a trombone player. One is called Ellrod in the Time of Cholera. A bit of tv, but it’s the same thing repeated, except the numbers keep rising. I’m not in any way isolated. I work at home, as is my wife, and I continue to check out FB and Trombone Chat.

For the most part, not much different, in some ways better (working from home and glad to be working!) and as long as the food supply chain holds out, I’m good.

ArbanRubank · Post by **ArbanRubank** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:33 pm

Me too!

I miss the occasional visits to the Conservatory, Zoo, Art Museums, Symphony, Brass Band, hockey and baseball games. Other than those activities, I have always felt very comfortable staying at home. I retired months ago from playing with live groups. It was nice, but now it is done (still practicing 3-4 hours daily!).

Because of what is going on now, I no longer feel like I am acting in an anti-social manner by keeping to myself as much as I tend to do. By maintaining social distancing, I am now acting very socially responsible. Funny (ironically, not ha-ha), how something like this can change our perceptions. So perhaps we are headed for yet another "new normal". I have to wonder many more there might be!

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:26 pm

The trouble with normal:

sporto · Post by **sporto** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:28 am

All our (Uptown Rhythm Makers) club gigs were cancelled as of March 15 till further notice, even the outdoor jazz club in Balboa Park, San Diego.

JohnL · Post by **JohnL** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:58 pm

sporto wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:28 am All our (Uptown Rhythm Makers) club gigs were cancelled as of March 15 till further notice, even the outdoor jazz club in Balboa Park, San Diego.

They've closed down Balboa Park completely. The Sunday Spreckels Organ Concert had to go online as of last week. I think the last thing to interfere with the weekly concerts was WWII.

Leanit · Post by **Leanit** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:30 pm

My Easter gig is the only one not yet wiped out. Its lone rehearsal was pushed back to Holy Week too. I rather expect it won't happen. This is the suck.

Mikebmiller · Post by **Mikebmiller** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:26 pm

jimtheob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:05 am I live in Buncombe County in western North Carolina. All concerts I was supposed to play in are cancelled and we are under a stay-at-home order.

Hi Jim - I am just down the road in Spartanburg, but I know lots of folks in Asheville. They have a lot of good trombone players in that town.

jimtheob · Post by **jimtheob** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:37 am

Wish I was one of them! Stay well.

Leanit · Post by **Leanit** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:18 am

Leanit wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:30 pm My Easter gig is the only one not yet wiped out. Its lone rehearsal was pushed back to Holy Week too. I rather expect it won't happen. This is the suck.

And ... there it goes now too. I can actually delete the Calendar app from my phone without consequence.

BflatBass · Post by **BflatBass** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:36 pm

I should have done my research and even tho the comment was in jest, the timing probably was not good. Walking the dogs is fine and I'm even thinking of going back to the bike trail that runs through town to do a little jog. If it's too crowded I'll just skip it.
As was mentioned by a few in this thread, staying at home is not unusual for me either. I play in 3 bands and do miss the social aspect of that activity 3 days a week. The musical community in my area is relatively small so I see a lot of the same people from group to group. I stay in touch with them on facebook but that's not really the same.

Some think that our world will return to normal soon. If you do your research and listen to those with experience in pandemics, it is likely we 'should' continue our isolation for quite a few more months. Maybe even 'til the end of summer. If we don't we might be shooting ourselves in the foot so to speak. We will see though. Things are changing daily so....we will see.

norbie2018 · Post by **norbie2018** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:17 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... f_amp=true

A simple choir rehearsal turned deadly. It sounds like a made up headline, but it is true.

multiphonic · Post by **multiphonic** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:03 pm

A PSA from Samuel L. Jackson:

(obscenities are bleeped)

LeTromboniste · Post by **LeTromboniste** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:15 pm

Aaand now all of July is cancelled, it all came within the last 12 hours. I'm incredibly lucky that I got asked for a transcription/edition gig for the next three weeks that will hopefully allow me to survive at least until the summer, many of my colleagues aren't so lucky.

ExZacLee · Post by **ExZacLee** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:13 am

One positive about all of this, every musician I know is at home. Recording opportunities abound! We're all getting better at the technology side of things, and actually taking that time to learn some new way to use the internet to collaborate.

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:52 am

I finally got around to installing BiaB last night and used it for my guitar lesson. You don’t know how long I had been putting that off. I installed Zoom and compared it to FaceTime. I think there’s a better camera in my wife’s MacBook.

harrisonreed · Post by **harrisonreed** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:08 pm

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Post by **BGuttman** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:24 pm

Where's the hole for the trombone mouthpiece?

FOSSIL · Post by **FOSSIL** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:15 am

Is that an artistic device ?

harrisonreed · Post by **harrisonreed** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:41 am

That's how we do it in Japan lol

FOSSIL · Post by **FOSSIL** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:26 am

whisper mute....