Unwanted multiphonic on tenor

[PiccoloTrombonist1]

After playing piccolo trombone for a while, i got used to the mouthpiece and buzzing differently. However, i still needed to practice tenor trombone, which for whatever reason i hadnt played in a while. Whenever i play notes (specifically notes above F4), i have to change mr embouchure to allow air to flow correctly. However, when i make this change, i get a multiphonic like sound. Not as in horn growl, but almost like 2 out-of-tune trumpets trying to play louder than the other trumpet. Is there any way to adjust my embouchure, or some other change i could make to avoid this?

[harrisonreed]

You should get a lesson

[Burgerbob]

Sounds like a double buzz. Keep that lower lip firm!

[Vegasbound]

Sounds like a double buzz. Keep that lower lip firm!

You should get a lesson

Have a Skype lesson with DE

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Keep that lower lip firm!

What does this even mean?

[Burgerbob]

Keep that lower lip firm!

What does this even mean?

For most players, the upper lip is doing the real buzzing while the lower lip is being buzzed on, like a single reed instrument.

[harrisonreed]

Yeah when you get a lip multiphonic, both lips are vibrating different pitches.

[SkylarsTbone]

Sounds like a double buzz. Keep that lower lip firm!

Thank you for this!!! I was practicing my solo and my A kept making strange buzzing sounds, which I later learned were multiphonics. I was paying zero attention to my lower lip whilst playing, so this really was a lifesaver.

[Kbiggs]

Yes, a double-buzz often means that when a person who plays with more upper lip in the mouthpiece (Doug’s very high placement or high placement) doesn’t keep their lower lip firm enough, they can get that double-buzz. Sometimes, it can also be due to the mouthpiece placement being off, usually a little too low. For me, it was a combination of both.

I think that for people who play with more lower lip in the mouthpiece it’s just the opposite, but I’d check with Doug.

[blap73]

I'll concur that having your MP placement slip a bit will aggravate / cause double-buzz.
I was having this happen a lot in concert situations, later in the program as I got tired. The quick fix was to stop playing, remove horn from face, re-set, and proceed. A very small shift from where I would normally have the MP would trip me up. Also I found that going back to a bit smaller rim diameter gave less problems.

It's a hugely frustrating experience when you are stuck in it.

Also suggest you Google Donald S. Reinhardt "pivot system"

[trombonePlayer48]

What does this even mean?

For most players, the upper lip is doing the real buzzing while the lower lip is being buzzed on, like a single reed instrument.

This is what helped me, thanks a lot!