Bass Bone Mouthpiece indecision

[alagrange]

Been playing on a Yamaha YBL-613G (silverplate) with a Doug Yeo Signature mp for awhile and am looking to change things up a bit. I am looking for something a little smaller and a little less open. Debating between Schilke 59, Griego Markey 87 or something from Doug Elliott (maybe LB 112/113 with K cup and 8 or 9 shank). What do you guys think? I can't buy them all! I have the following on hand as well: Bach 1-1/2G, Schilke 58, and Yamaha Doug Yeo.

[Bach5G]

I might add a Bach 1 and 1/4 to the mix.

[Burgerbob]

I find the 1 1/4GM to be a great match for those horns, but try a 1 1/4 as well.

[Kbiggs]

The 1 1/2 and the 58 will feel smaller, but they might be just right for you.

I gave up playing on Bach mouthpieces in the 90’s due to quality control issues. I know they are more consistent now. You might find a 1 1/4 or a 1 1/4GM to be a good match for you and that horn.

I use mouthpieces in the same general rim size, and I’m finding I really like the Griego-Markey 87. It’s big enough to tackle the large and loud stuff in the lower register, and small enough to play the high loud (and soft!) stuff in the upper register.

Of course, Doug’s mouthpieces are also excellent. I played an Elliott LB 113 L8 just before the Griego-Markey. It might be just up your alley.

[blast]

Yamahas do tend to work better with larger mouthpieces. Between a 1 1/2G size and the Yeo there are a multitude of mouthpieces. Hear from you in a few years when you've gotten through a bunch of them.

[LIBrassCo]

Our 800 is a great option

https://www.librassco.com/bass-trombone

[Burgerbob]

I use mouthpieces in the same general rim size, and I’m finding I really like the Griego-Markey 87. It’s big enough to tackle the large and loud stuff in the lower register, and small enough to play the high loud (and soft!) stuff in the upper register.

I will veto the 87- I use one on a couple of my basses, it's my "main" bass piece, but it really doesn't agree with the Yamahas.

[Kbiggs]

I use mouthpieces in the same general rim size, and I’m finding I really like the Griego-Markey 87. It’s big enough to tackle the large and loud stuff in the lower register, and small enough to play the high loud (and soft!) stuff in the upper register.

I will veto the 87- I use one on a couple of my basses, it's my "main" bass piece, but it really doesn't agree with the Yamahas.

Good to know. Still, the OP might find it works for them.

[Bach5G]

How about a Yamaha bass trombone mpc? They make a 59 and a 60. Not too expensive. ~ $50?

[Burgerbob]

The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

[Kevbach33]

Have a lesson with Doug Elliott? (Seeing that you mentioned an LB setup...)

[alagrange]

I'll be sure to send a message Doug's way and see what he says. Otherwise a Bach 1.25GM sounds like a good option. Anyone have thoughts on the Schilke 59?

[Bach5G]

The GM is pretty open. Might want to try before you buy.

[alagrange]

That did slightly concern me. The Yeo is 8mm (.3149) and the Bach 1-1/4FM is .319. Its a pretty big hole!

[WGWTR180]

The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

[WGWTR180]

That did slightly concern me. The Yeo is 8mm (.3149) and the Bach 1-1/4FM is .319. Its a pretty big hole!

Don't get caught up in "hole" size. Find a rim size that's comfortable and go from there. The YEO is a very large piece-works for some but many who try it think it's inefficient. A 59 is a good spot between the 1 and 1/2G world and the Schilke 60, or the like, world. It will take several months to settle into anything.

[tbonesullivan]

The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

I believe Burgerbob was referring to the Yamaha 59 and 60, not the Schilke 59 and 60, which are definitely significantly bigger. The Yamaha 59 is 27.22mm on paper, while the Schilke 59 is 28.52mm The Yamaha 60 is 28.25mm, smaller than the Schilke 59, while a Schilke 60 is 29.03mm.

For comparison, a Bach 1 1/2G is 27.00mm on paper.

My experience with the Yamaha 59 and 60 is the same: the 59 is a pretty good Bach 1 1/2G alternative, while the 60 is just not very good.

[WGWTR180]

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

I believe Burgerbob was referring to the Yamaha 59 and 60, not the Schilke 59 and 60, which are definitely significantly bigger. The Yamaha 59 is 27.22mm on paper, while the Schilke 59 is 28.52mm The Yamaha 60 is 28.25mm, smaller than the Schilke 59, while a Schilke 60 is 29.03mm.

For comparison, a Bach 1 1/2G is 27.00mm on paper.

My experience with the Yamaha 59 and 60 is the same: the 59 is a pretty good Bach 1 1/2G alternative, while the 60 is just not very good.

Sorry about that. I missed the Yamaha part. And you are correct-the Yamaha 59 is in the 1 and 1/2G size. I own several examples of both.

[WGWTR180]

The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

My apologies. I missed the Yamaha part regarding the "59"

[GabrielRice]

My advice would be to get a Schilke 59. It's a very standard mouthpiece, easily available, and not expensive. Get used to this basic size on that and then explore more if you're feeling limited or curious.

[Kbiggs]

What Gabe said. Somehow in my “advice,” I missed that you wanted to try something larger. I played a Schilke 59 for many years, and then a Doug Elliott 112K for a few more years. They are both good, standard mouthpieces.

Of course, you can always go with blast’s (Christopher Stearn’s) advice. Many people have taken that route.

[tbonesullivan]

FYI, I LOVE the Markey 85 and 87 with my Yamaha YBL-830. I know it's two generations later with a different leadpipe, but I've never gotten as many complements on my sound as I have when using the 85 and 87.

[Burgerbob]

FYI, I LOVE the Markey 85 and 87 with my Yamaha YBL-830. I know it's two generations later with a different leadpipe, but I've never gotten as many complements on my sound as I have when using the 85 and 87.

830 blows totally different than the 613.

[GGJazz]

Hello all .

Among the mpcs the OP mentioned, I would also choose the Schilke 59 .

Regards
Giancarlo

[Bach5G]

How does the Schilke 59 compare with a Hammond 20?

[amoss1s]

Griego’s Gerry Pagano Mouthpiece! By far the best mouthpiece I have ever tried. It’s around a 1 1/4 size.

[Macbone1]

I have a Marcinkiewicz Ernie Tack in excellent condition I can unload. Great rim, great response though the "hole" is on the small side.

[Kbiggs]

How does the Schilke 59 compare with a Hammond 20?

My 2 cents, based on playing both for extensive periods: The Hammond 20 rim is about the same size as the Schilke 59, but it feels larger due to the round and wide shape of the rim. I found it was hard to make consistent starts of notes on the Hammond due to the rim shape and comparatively large throat. (For the stock models I’ve tried, Schilkes have throats quite a bit larger than Bachs, and Hammonds are usually even larger than Schilkes.) Ear was good, lips were good, but if I didn’t have things dialed in just right, I would scoop the beginnings of notes, especially after a breath. A very comfortable mouthpiece, plenty of core, good flexibility, but a major design flaw when used by this player. They work very well for other people, though. YMMV.

[Bach5G]

Thanks KBiggs.

[fwbassbone]

Try the Giddings NY-S. It seems to fit the parameters you describe.

[GabrielRice]

How does the Schilke 59 compare with a Hammond 20?

My 2 cents, based on playing both for extensive periods: The Hammond 20 rim is about the same size as the Schilke 59, but it feels larger due to the round and wide shape of the rim. I found it was hard to make consistent starts of notes on the Hammond due to the rim shape and comparatively large throat. (For the stock models I’ve tried, Schilkes have throats quite a bit larger than Bachs, and Hammonds are usually even larger than Schilkes.) Ear was good, lips were good, but if I didn’t have things dialed in just right, I would scoop the beginnings of notes, especially after a breath. A very comfortable mouthpiece, plenty of core, good flexibility, but a major design flaw when used by this player. They work very well for other people, though. YMMV.

I heard exactly the same problem when students I worked with played them.

[alagrange]

Quick update for you guys: I did a consultation with Doug Elliott and he recommended LB 111 Rim, K cup and K8 shank. I should have it in hand around Tuesday so, I'll be sure to give an update once it get here.

[Kbiggs]

Quick update for you guys: I did a consultation with Doug Elliott and he recommended LB 111 Rim, K cup and K8 shank. I should have it in hand around Tuesday so, I'll be sure to give an update once it get here.

Mischief managed!